HomeMy WebLinkAbout2014-09-02 City Council Regular MinutesCITY COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING
SEPTEMBER 2, 2014
The regular meeting of the City Council of the City of
Apache Junction, Arizona, was held on September 2, 2014, at the
Apache Junction City Council Chambers pursuant to the notice
required by law.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Insalaco called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
INVOCATION
Councilmember Wilson gave the Invocation.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Councilmember Waldron led the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Councilmembers Present:Mayor Insalaco
Vice Mayor Barker
Councilmember Evans
Councilmember Rizzi
Councilmember Serdy
Councilmember Waldron
Councilmember Wilson
Staff Present:Assistant City Manager Bryant Powell
City Attorney Joel Stern
Public Safety Director Tom Kelly
Parks and Recreation Director Jeff Bell
City Engineer Emile Schmid
Development Services Director Larry
Kirch
Assistant to the City Manager Matt
Busby
Others Present:Deputy City Clerk Jan Mason
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Revenue Resource Manager Roger Hacker
Principal Economic Development
Specialist Janine Solley
Parks Superintendent Nick Blake
ACCEPTANCE OF CONSENT AGENDA
)Vice Mayor Barker MOVED
THAT THE CONSENT AGENDA BE ACCEPTED; AND
THAT THE AWARD OF BID FOR PWC2013-10, PUEBLO DEL SOL ROADWAY
IMPROVEMENTS PHASE I, BE AWARDED TO VISUS, INC., IN THE AMOUNT
OF $245,000.00 PLUS 10% IN THE AMOUNT OF $24,500.00 FOR
UNFORESEEN CHANGE ORDERS FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED
$269,500.00; AND THAT AUTHORIZATION BE GIVEN FOR THE MAYOR TO
SIGN THE CONTRACT PENDING APPROVAL AS TO FINAL FORM BY THE CITY
ATTORNEY; AND
THAT RESOLUTION NO. 14-35, A RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF APACHE JUNCTION, ARIZONA, AUTHORIZING THE
CITY TO ENTER INTO AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH ARIZONA
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR CONGESTION MITIGATION AND AIR
QUALITY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FUNDS, BE APPROVED.
Councilmember Wilson SECONDED
THE MOTION.
VOTE:Unanimous,
The motion carried.
AWARDS, PRESENTATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS
Revenue Resource Manager Roger Hacker announced VFW Post 7968
and Superstition Mountain VFW Post 9399 donated funds to
purchase uniforms for the Apache Junction Police Department
Honor Guard.They have donated for other items in the past.
Public Safety Director Tom Kelly commented 5-6 years ago the
police department had an honor guard but no longer had funds for
the uniforms.With Roger's assistance and the VFW groups they
now have the funds.These two organizations have been at the
forefront for a variety of different city functions and they
continue to do that.
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Revenue Resource Manager Roger Hacker introduced Commander
Tremondo from VFW Post 7968, who then briefed the council on
what occurred from their view.He had called Commander Bonell
who also opted to participate.
Revenue Resource Manager Roger Hacker introduced Commander
Bonell of VFW Post 9399, who spoke about both posts supporting
whatever the city needs.
Mayor Insalaco commented he and Councilmember Waldron noticed
the Veterans' Memorial Gazebo needed painting.They went to
these two commanders and the commander from the American Legion.
It will be painted this month.
Mayor Insalaco read.a proclamation designating September 22
through September 26, 2014 as National Guard and Reserve Week.
There was no one in attendance for the proclamation and the
mayor stated he would see that Ed Mangon got the proclamation.
Mayor Insalaco read a proclamation designating October 5 through
October 12, 2014 as A Week Without Violence and presented the
proclamation to Public Safety Director Tom Kelly.
ANNOUNCEMENT OF CURRENT EVENTS
Councilmember Waldron commented all the council and some staff
attended the League of Arizona Cities and Towns annual
conference last week.They had a lot of good discussions.They
had a special meeting of the mayors attending an ice bucket
challenge.
Councilmember Waldron commented Dollar Self Storage takes
electronic recycling for Apache Junction and all the proceeds go
to local charities.
Councilmember Rizzi commented the Apache Junction Drug Coalition
has again partnered with the Boys and Girls Club for the annual
Care for Youth Day for Kids event on Saturday, September 6.She
commented on the various events that would be taking place.
CITY MANAGER'S REPORT
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teaching positions, but they also
positions.There was a period of
which there was a superintendent,
superintendents and a bunch of di
Assistant City Manager Bryant Powell commented on the National
Preparedness Month combined training, assistance provided to a
stranded motorist by Public Works Director Giao Pham and Public
Safety Director Tom Kelly, and the first Friday Fit Family event
for parks and recreation being an overwhelming success.
Assistant City Manager Bryant Powell introduced Development
Services Director Larry Kirch from LaCrosse, Wisconsin, and gave
a brief presentation on his background.
Development Services Director Larry Kirch thanked everyone for
their help and he is excited to be back in Arizona.He grew up
in Scottsdale and now lives in Apache Junction.He is impressed
with the caliber of the staff he met today.
Dr. Chad Wilson, Superintendent of Schools for the Apache
Junction Unified School District, gave a presentation on the
facts of the override.
Councilmember Serdy commented a lot of people think that the
city is also the school district and the fire department.They
use the city as a sounding board for the things they see.One
of the things he hears is their letting teachers go.They want
to know what he personally has done, if he has taken any cuts or
will take cuts in the future.Several years ago when the city
started to fail, the city manager took a $10,000 pay cut, gave
up his car allowance and some physical checkups.He asked what
he could do like that to send a message.
Dr. Chad Wilson commented he had heard that, too.He thinks it
is a much bigger discussion than his doing this or that.One of
the things they have worked hard at is saying when they are
going to cut, they are going to cut smart.They reduced
reduced central :administration
time in their organization in
three associate
rectors.Now there is just
him.They want to make sure they are cutting smart.They have
reduced staffing, but not just in the classroom or
transportation, but also in administration.There is a
performance clause for superintendents by statute.Oftentimes
superintendents do not take their bonuses.When his clause was
created, one of the pieces that was very important was his bonus
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being what it is intended to be.His clause states he is
eligible for a bonus when 100% of the students meet or exceed
the standards defined by the State of Arizona.That is not the
case for other superintendents.There are lots of ways he could
present this as if he is giving it up and sacrificing, but he
does not know if that is the best message.A better message
would be if they are talking about bonuses he would give up, he
did create bonuses that would be measured by the success of
their organization.If they are not as successful as they
should be, he should not be offered a bonus.When they cut
positions, he cut first at the administration level in the
central office.The governing board can look at staffing and
compensation in any way they feel is appropriate.He encouraged
people to look at his contract and job expectations compared to
other superintendents.
Councilmember Evans commented she never went to school here; she
attended in Pennsylvania.When he first presented this as a
maintenance and operation override, to her it was keeping the
lights on and the grass cut.That terminology does not appear
to say it is for teachers' salaries or for classrooms.She is
not sure how he can change that and she is sure she is not the
only one who thinks it is not for classrooms and teachers.She
has been a realtor for 27 years in Arizona.Women tell their
husbands where they want to live.When relocating to the
valley, they will look at the school systems and if the school
system is not supported by the community by the last two
overrides, or again in this case, it is not where people want
their children.She agrees with his determination and any
information he can provide to them to help explain this would be
helpful.
Dr. Chad Wilson stated they have some fact sheets they can bring
by tomorrow.He does not want to put them in an awkward
position.It is a one -page fact sheet they can use.Regarding
maintenance and operation, the state defines the terminology and
he thinks she is exactly right.It sounds like the grass and
the water.Tc a degree there is a bit of that, but it falls
largely in staffing.
Councilmember Rizzi commented they attended the League of
Arizona Cities and Towns and one of the classes gave a
perspective of how the youth in the community feel.It was the
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youth coalition class.They answered different questions such
as if they are going to stay in their community, what they would
do, where they would go to school, why they would leave the
community, or how they feel about overrides.She videotaped it
and she would like to share it with the community at some point.
They had talked about their communities being like ours, not
having enough jobs, culture or arts activities or higher
education.One thing one student said was when overrides do not
pass, it makes them feel like the community does not care about
them or their education.She wants to share this with the
community.Kids are important and they deserve this.They
deserve better and we can do better for them.
Councilmember Wilson commented the aspect is number one.He is
very supportive of them.They are trying to work together to
work out some of the inner issues.They take this aspect
personally as well.They are hoping to work some of these
things out in the near future and continue, whether it is with
the resource officers or the use of the facilities they share.
Vice Mayor Barker commented for her there are two things.She
was a high school teacher for 21 years and averaged 42 kids per
class.However, it is important they all remember that property
values also are a reflection of the quality of life within the
community.The schools are a very big part, but the rest of it
is, too; the pool, tennis courts, etc.As with Councilmember
Wilson, she hopes they can renew the partnership and work
together for the betterment of the community as a whole.
Mayor Insalaco closed the discussion and moved on to the next
item.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
PROPOSED RESOLUTION NO. 14-26,
DECLARING PORTIONS OF PUBLIC
ROADWAY EASEMENTS LOCATED ON 14TH
AVENUE FROM WAGON WHEEL TO
GOLDFIELD, DESCRIBED IN
EXTINGUISHMENT CASE EX -14-26, BE
EXTINGUISHED/ PROPOSED RESOLUTION
NO. 14-25, DECLARING PORTIONS OF
PUBLIC ROADWAY EASEMENTS LOCATED
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IN THE EAST HALF OF THE NORTHWEST
QUARTER OF SECTION 27, DESCRIBED IN
EXTINGUISHMENT CASE EX -14-25, BE
EXTINGUISHED
)City Engineer Emile Schmid
briefed the council on the items.
Vice Mayor Barker asked why
he drew back on that portion of Wagon Wheel and 14th Avenue.It
is so encroached upon it cannot be a roadway anyway.
City Engineer Emile Schmid
stated it is because of the encroachment.There is a building
structure and sometimes they are hard to make out.Some of
these items in the federal patented easements can be moved,
trailers, sheds and other movable structures.This is not a
shade structure, it has a large roof with four walls all the way
around.It is obviously encroaching into the easement and right
up against the property line.There is concern it may even be
encroaching beyond the neighboring property.At this point it
becomes a civil issue between the property owners.If we were
to proceed with extinguishing the roadway portion, knowing that
an encroachment such as this exists, it opens up the city to
exposure.
Mayor Insalaco opened the
public hearing on the items.There being no one wishing to
speak, he closed the public hearing and reopened the items to
council discussion.There being no further discussion, he
called for a motion.
Councilmember Waldron MOVED
THAT RESOLUTION NO. 14-26, A RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF APACHE JUNCTION, ARIZONA, DECLARING THAT
PORTIONS OF THE PUBLIC ROADWAY EASEMENTS LOCATED ON 14TH AVENUE
FROM WAGON WHEEL ROAD TO GOLDFIELD ROAD, AND DESCRIBED IN
EXTINGUISHMENT CASE EX -14-26, ARE NO LONGER NECESSARY FOR PUBLIC
USE AS PUBLIC ROADWAY EASEMENTS AND ARE HEREBY EXTINGUISHED AS
PRESENT AND FUTURE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND AUTHORIZING
ACCEPTANCE OF DEDICATION OF PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY FRONTING 1470
SOUTH GOLDFIELD ROAD, BE APPROVED.
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Councilmember Rizzi SECONDED
THE MOTION.
VOTE:Unanimous.
The motion carried.
Vice Mayor Barker MOVED THAT
RESOLUTION NO. 14-25, A RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF APACHE JUNCTION, ARIZONA, DECLARING THAT PORTIONS
OF PUBLIC ROADWAY EASEMENTS LOCATED IN THE EAST HALF OF THE
NORTHEAST QUARTER OF SECTION 27, AND DESCRIBED IN EXTINGUISHMENT
CASE EX -14-25, ARE NO LONGER NECESSARY FOR PUBLIC USE AS PUBLIC
ROADWAY EASEMENTS AND ARE HEREBY EXTINGUISHED AS PRESENT AND
FUTURE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY; AND AUTHORIZING ACCEPTANCE OF
DEDICATION OF PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY FRONTING 1132 AND 1238 SOUTH
GOLDFIELD ROAD, AND AT THE REAR OF 1111 SOUTH WAGON WHEEL ROAD,
BE APPROVED.
Councilmember Rizzi SECONDED
THE MOTION.
VOTE:Unanimous;
The motion carried.
SPECIAL EVENT LIQUOR LICENSE FOR
COMMUNITY ALLIANCE AGAINST FAMILY
ABUSE FOR OCTOBER 25, 2014
)Deputy City Clerk Jan
Mason briefed the council on the item.
Ms. Sharon Stinard addressed
the council on the item.She stated she is in attendance to
encourage approval of the liquor license for their annual
fundraiser, their signature event called Disco Fever.She
extended an invitation to the council and community members to
join them for a fundraiser that supports a worthy cause in the
community.
Councilmember Rizzi commented
she has received many calls from people asking her when this is
happening.They have gone in the past years and want to know
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when Disco Fever is coming up because they love it.They take
their grandkids and it is a great family event.She hoped they
will have a great turnout.
Mayor Insalaco opened the
public hearing on the item.There being no one wishing to
speak, he closed the public hearing and reopened the item to
council discussion.There being no further comments, he closed
the discussion and called for a motion.
Vice Mayor Barker MOVED THAT
THE APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL EVENT LIQUOR LICENSE FOR COMMUNITY
ALLIANCE AGAINST FAMILY ABUSE FOR OCTOBER 25, 2014, SUBMITTED BY
ELIZABETH GARMAN, BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE ARIZONA
DEPARTMENT OF LIQUOR LICENSES AND CONTROL.
Councilmember Wilson SECONDED
THE MOTION.
VOTE:Unanimous.
The motion carried.
Mayor Insalaco called for a
ten minute break.
Mayor Insalaco reconvened the
meeting.
DIRECTION TO STAFF ON EXTENSION OF
THE CURRENT .2% CITY SALES TAX AND
AN ADDITIONAL .2% SALES TAX
DEDICATED TO FUND ROADWAY
MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS
)Assistant City Manager
Bryant Powell briefed the council on the item.
Vice Mayor Barker asked what
would happen if they no longer have the .2% for that purpose.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated the thought for continuing the .2% is to invest in
those areas that were soft capital.They would not have the
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funding the next time around to do HVAC units.They would have
to go a little longer with their vehicles, but back in 2008-2009
when they had the general fund go from a $30 million revenue to
$20 revenue they did that for a few years.They can only do
that for so long as at some point the police vehicles will have
to be replaced.They would have a tough prioritization as to
what things they would or would not be able to do.
Councilmember Waldron asked
if they are going to talk about the other .2%.
Councilmember Serdy commented
they would discuss that after the public hearing.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated tonight is an opportunity for a public hearing,
discussion and then direction to staff to start the process.It
is not a decision to do it.It is not a decision of anything of
that nature.It is to have that discussion.
Mayor Insalaco opened the
public hearing on the item.There being no one wishing to
speak, he closed the public hearing and reopened the council
discussion.
Councilmember Waldron
commented he spoke to a lot of different council members at the
League conference who are all facing the same issue with the
legislature sweeping funds from the Highway User Revenue Fund
monies that is designed for cities and towns.Flagstaff, for
example, has implemented a secondary property tax for their
roads.They are in pretty dire straits up there.Many of the
cities are contemplating doing that.Until the legislature
chooses to stop sweeping funds that are due the cities and
towns, this is going to be an ongoing problem.We will not have
the money to fix the roads.It is just pure and simple.We do
not have the funds available.He does not remember the numbers
right offhand.He thinks the city has been shorted $7 million
since 2005 when this started.
Assistant:City Manager Bryant
Powell stated that is his understanding.
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COuntilmember Waldron
commented he has talked to many candidates and legislators.
Every one of them opposed the sweeps And it is absolutely beyond
him how it keeps going.If they are all opposed to it, he does
not know why the cities keep getting penalized.One of the
things he would like the council to consider, if they look at
this two -tenths tax for roads only, is that they do put a sunset
provision in it, but we sunset two years after the full
restoration of Highway User Revenue Funds.It kind of empowers
the citizens to say they do not like this tax, they want to get
rid of the tax, and they are going to our legislators.We are
fortunate that we have Representative Coleman who is obviously
strongly opposed to this.If enough citizens go to the
legislature and talk to the candidates, even the governor
candidates, and tell them this has got to stop, we can sunset
the tax.He would like to suggest they set that provision for
two years after to make sure they do not come back, and by full
restoration, he means they discontinue the sweeps, period.And
then they need to ask the citizens to write their legislators,
governor, or talk to whoever they run into.Then maybe they can
stop what is essentially double taxation.The Highway User
Revenue Fund money comes from vehicle tax, gas tax and even from
licensing.Granted those tax revenues are lower because of
electric car's and people driving cars longer.The registration
is a little bit lower.Nonetheless, they are still sweeping
those funds.That means we now have to look at implementing a
tax to fix the roads that this tax money is already supposed to
fix.By doing this, we can empower the citizens to say they can
stop this tax by getting these sweeps stopped.
Vice Mayor Barker asked if
their costs would be covered if the Highway User Revenue Funds
were fully returned at the rate it has been in the past, as it
does not seem to be going up much as a fund.
Assistant.City Manager Bryant
Powell stated there are actually 3 portions of the Highway User
Revenue Funds that have changed.There is the Highway User
Revenue Fund tax portion, the'county portion, and the county-
shared portion.He asked Matt Busby to elaborate more on that.
Assistant to the City Manager
Matt Busby stated HURF stands for Highway User Revenue Fund; it
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is essentially the gas tax.It is collected by the state and
distributed to the counties who then further distribute it to
municipalities based on population.Because it is based on
population, it is not only the sweeps that take money away from
our distribution, it is also growth of communities like Maricopa
and Casa Grande.So when they grew a lot and we did not grow as
fast, our proportionate share of the amount given to the county
shrunk.The state sweeps did hurt us very much, but also the
growth of other communities hurt us.Another bigger problem
about Highway User Revenue Funds is people are driving more fuel
efficient cars and, in some cases, especially during the
recession, they drove less.So the collections coming in were
less.That should give them a little information on how that
works.From a staff perspective, to sunset it based on what the
legislature does is a great idea, however, if by some miracle
they did that next year, then we would only have 3 years of this
fund.He does not think that will happen, but that would limit
us.Even if they had restored the funds back to 2006 or 2007
levels and we got that $7 million, we have an $18 million to $20
million problem with the roads that need to be fixed.It is
very likely we would need more than that anyway and that is what
this discussion is about tonight, if they are willing to extend
and then add this increment dedicated just to roads.
Councilmember Serdy commented
this is one of the more unpleasant things about being a council
member.There are a lot of places he would rather be right now
than discussing this.He thinks this has already been extended
once.The first time, then the temporary was already made non-
temporary.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated the initial .2% went from 2000 to 2010.We were
in the middle of the recession and council decided to keep it
going for six years.
Councilmember Serdy commented
they should keep in mind that in his private life he is a
merchant.People do throw these taxes at you all the time.He
knows they did a survey of some merchants along the Trail and
they are kind of for it now.If you do this again, it is going
to hurt them, doing it on their backs, and people will avoid us.
He spoke with Jeff Struble, who is on several boards for the
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town, everybody knows him,and he is an accountant in his
private life.He ran a really bold alternative by him; cut the
taxes below all the other Cities and then put a property tax on
the ballot.By showing the public we are going to do this, we
will make our city the most friendly business city in the whole
valley.Give them the choice to pay an additional property tax.
He does not know if that is the answer, but he would like to
hear more about this.He saw him in passing and he ran it by
him.He was fascinated by it and he would like to look more
into that before he gets behind it.It is a bold and different
strategy.His business is in the unincorporated county.The
tax there is only 6.3%.He knows that some people come to shop
at his store because of this.He questioned if it would make a
difference if the whole city went below Mesa.He asked if they
could do a study on that.He does not have the answers, he is
just throwing these out there.He does not think the merchants
would like this down the road and he questioned what the
snowbirds would think, like Christa told him earlier.
Councilmember Waldron
commented he thought they were looking at the .2% for Apache
Trail.
Assistant to the City Manager
Matt Busby stated that is correct.This discussion tonight has
the option to discuss both; the current .2% which we are using
for operating capital, and the additional .2% increment
dedicated to funding only roadway maintenance, repairs and
construction.
Councilmember Waldron
commented he was talking about the Highway User Revenue Funds in
relation to the .2% that will be used for the Trail.He added
the merchants are in favor of that additional tax.
Councilmember Serdy commented
as of now.He did mention that.
Councilmember Waldron
commented he was talking about the Highway User Revenue Funds
for the Apache Trail fix, which he believes is $3 million.
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Mayor Insalaco commented he
was going back to what they were told by the public works
director.It will take $3 million to fix the Trail now.If
they do not lollygag and hurry up and get it done, and if we do
not do something before those cracks get bigger and get into the
under part of the road, that $3 million is $12 million.It
would be nice to let the public vote, but if we put it off until
it gets to a vote, and then they do not vote, we are a year -and-
a -half, two years behind getting that road taken care of.He
asked what would then happen to the merchants.People are right
now bypassing the Trail.They bypass the Trail and go to the
next intersection where they can cross.It is getting more
washboard every day.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated he wanted to remind the council that they had the
retreat on April 12.They talked about a short term plan and a
long term plan.He wanted to draw them back to that.The
initial thought was to get going and provide an investment in
the community that is for the business area.It would be for
the economic development engine of our businesses.We have
heard the predominance of evidence.They have gone out and in
all the districts they have visited, Councilmember Wilson and he
are going out to the Superstition Mountain Horsemens Association
tomorrow, the residents understand that is where the investments
need to go.There is support, significant support, for that
investment there.They are talking about the new .2% there.
They thought at this time they should bring up the existing .2%
as well for consideration and direction at this time.
Vice Mayor Barker commented
nobody wants to increase taxes of any kind, shape or
description, and nobody wants to pay them, and she understands
that.She.is right there with them.But if someone spends $100
a week in this community on taxable items, just taxable items,
not prescriptions or any of those types of things, they will
spend 80 cents a -month in additional' sales tax, which is less
than a hamburger.They would spend less than $10 a year on
additional sales tax.Ten bucks a year is pretty darn cheap to
get your road fixed.She thinks it is vitally important that
they realize they are going in a circle.They are talking
economic development on one hand and then they are saying, well,
let us just let these roads lay here while we mull this and mull
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that.And so they get worse.The merchants say no one can get
to their store anymore because they fall in a pothole.We go
out maybe and patch it but, kind of like a pair of old blue
jeans, there is no more fabric there to patch any more.The
price goes up and it keeps going up and going up.It seems to
her they need to face that one problem right now.We need to
face Apache Trail.We need to decide are we going to fix it or
are we not.If they are going to fix it they need to decide how
they are going to do that.If they want to get rid of the
original .2% then they would still be talking about chasing off
economic development because at that point they would end up
having to close down programs and maybe even close down things
like the library and the multi-gen.Let us face it, when people
move to a community they want a quality of life.They do not
want a town that has a super-duper road but nothing else out
there.She thinks it is important to look at the whole picture.
Look at it holistically.The merchants have a choice, too.
They can eat some of this if they wish, and she knows that is
not a popular thing as she is a business person, too.She has
to charge taxes like everybody else does.And we are dependent
on the business community to be here.If the business community
is not here, we are not here, personally.She understands how
the business community might say hmmm.But we have some choices
here.
Councilmember Rizzi commented
she would like to see a little bit more, she is curious to hear
more about Mr. Strubie's thoughts.Her concern with putting
this on the backs of the businesses is it is a temporary fix.
She understands they have a dire need and we have to get
something going with Apache Trail.The more time that passes
the more costly it becomes.But she is concerned that if they
do not seriously take a look at property tax, at least take a
look at it and consider it, this is just a temporary fix and
down the road we will be in the same position.She asked if
anyone up there was in favor of more taxes.She does not want
to pay any more.She does not want to be in a position of
having to keep this .2% or make decisions on property taxes.
They have some tough decisions to make and she would certainly
like to hear more about Mr. Struble's thoughts on that.She has
a hard time putting it all on the backs of our businesses.She
feels it is a temporary fix.
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Vice Mayor Barker commented
she had a question on property tax.It was a thought that
crossed her mind.It seems to her that when you raise a
property tax, they would all pay this extra amount, whatever it
might be, big or small, and those folks who come to our
community, the snowbirds which Mr. Serdy brought up, and
business people, etc., they are going to be paying that.And
they will be passing it on to their renters, to their customers,
etc.It seems six of one, half dozen of the other to her at
this point.She may be dead wrong because she obviously knows
nothing about property taxes except that she pays them every
year.
Councilmember Evans commented
she had a couple of thoughts.She thinks the 2% that they are
talking about.
Mayor Insalaco commented it
is .2%.
Councilmember Evans commented
the .2% is needed as we have to get the Trail fixed as soon as
possible.We have to move fast; faster than even initiating a
property tax as it would be a couple of years for that to come
into effect.
Vice Mayor Barker agreed.
Councilmember Evans commented
this fixes our immediate problem but she spent part of today
going over our transportation study that was done in 2012.On
safety items alone there is $4,765,000 and for flooding and
drainage it is another $1.7 million.Two -tenths of a percent is
not going to touch what we need.At the League, a lot of the
people she spoke to, it almost amazed her about the different
types of evaluations of property taxes and how they came to that
conclusion.In selling real estate over this whole valley, she
has not heard of one person not buying a house in one city just
because they had a property tax.It has never happened.
Historically everybody knows Pinal County's taxes are higher
than Maricopa's, Gilbert's taxes than Mesa's, or used to be.It
is common knowledge but it does not prevent one from moving
there.But if the infrastructure is not there, it does prevent
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one from moving there.One wants to move where the roads are
good and accessible.The one statistic that they had on the
infrastructure financing was bad roads cost every driver $207
per year in maintenance to their car.We can pay to have the
roads fixed or we can keep paying to have our cars fixed and not
drive the Trail.They have the not popular decision to make
doing this and she thinks every one of them up there hates the
idea of more taxes.But the reality is how else can they fund
the city.All last winter they went to mobile home parks and
talked about this to the residents and asked them if they had
any creative ideas, any way the residents would like the council
to do this.They asked for ideas on how they could do this
without raising taxes.She did not hear from anybody.
Unfortunately nobody had any other ideas.It is a tough
decision but she does not mind, and she does agree with Jeff
that she would rather pay a property tax and live here than pay
a higher sales tax.She thinks a lot of people do not
understand that of our sales tax the city only gets a very small
portion of it, the county and state get the rest.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated 2.2% of the 8.9%.That funds half of the general
fund which is operations, police, library and parks and
recreation.
Mayor Insalaco commented he
does not think anyone thinks they are crying wolf with the road
breaking up.Just remember when construction was done on
Ironwood and how long the street was torn up.He wondered how
long it will take once they tear the Trail up.People will
completely leave the business here in Apache Junction.They are
talking three lanes of traffic on each side that will have to be
torn up.They will not be able to cross over or they will have
to go three exits down to cross over.We have a public works
director whose advice they are supposed to take when it is
sound.He believes his advice is sound on this road.He urged
them to get out and walk the Trail and look how wide those
cracks are.If we have a heck of a rain storm that road bed
will be gone.It is going now.He thinks they are at a time
where, although there might be better options, if they wait for
those better options the property tax will never get enough
money to take care of that road.He thinks they are at that
point where they have got to do something now.
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Councilmember Evans commented
she wanted to add one more thing.She absolutely agreed that we
have to do something and right now for the Trail.She attended
a session at the League conference on innovative ways to finance
infrastructure.There is a special district tax that is tied to
license plates for people who live within a certain city.It is
a tax added to your car tags that goes just for road
improvements in that community.It is another way but it is
still a longer term solutions where we have to do something now
for the Trail.
Vice Mayor Barker commented
she wanted to clarify what she seems to be hearing.Council
members are willing to look at the possibility of a property tax
but that possibly the length of time it would take us to
actually look at that is too long to hold off on the Trail
itself.She asked if that is what she is hearing.
Councilmember Evans commented
absolutely.
Vice Mayor Barker asked if
that is pretty much the synopsis.
Mayor Insalaco commented
there is one thing he and Councilmember Waldron were looking at.
The City of Flagstaff is going for $96 million for roads because
their roads are so bad.They have to take up sewers because the
roads have been so damaged by water.It is a 20 year loan they
will be paying back.They went to a property tax.They have
been after this for 4 years trying to get this passed.And what
has happened in the four years they have been trying to get this
passed is the roads are at the point where it is really
bothering the infrastructure now.The first couple of times it
did not pass.That is the problem he is having.Even though it
is only $10 or whatever it is, the people will not see it that
way.It is a forever property tax once it gets on there.We do
not have the time to wait.
Councilmember Waldron
commented that is why he would like to see the .2% for roads
sunset.They should have some type of trigger mechanism.If
they do something like two years after the full restoration of
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Highway User Revenue Funds that would give themsome time.
He believed Highway User Revenue Funds are still behind.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated the Highway User Revenue Funds are an
intergovernmental revenue but they are not like state -shared
revenues.He does not think they are two years behind.
Councilmember Waldron
commented but there is a delay.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated they can define what full restoration means.It
can be their definition.We have gone from $7 million a year in
Highway User Revenue Funds to about $4.5 million a year in
Highway User Revenue Funds.It could be when all three revenue
streams are fully restored.It is up to the council on how to
define it.
Councilmember Waldron
commented at the last meeting he was at about the Arizona
Department of Transportation, the Highway User Revenue Funds are
at the 2005 levels.By full restoration he does not mean they
will get all of their money back.When he is talking about the
full restoration of Highway User Revenue Funds, he is talking
about the sweeps are no longer being done.They are
discontinued.They are stopped so that we are not losing
additional funds.By giving us a two-year time difference we
are able to continue to fund the repair of Apache Trail and
whatever roads need to be done because there is still some
Highway User Revenue Funds money coming in.He questioned if
they would get back to the 2014 levels and answered no.It will
not happen right away.It will be quite some time because of
the electric cars and people driving cars longer.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated they could state the fiscal year when they want
it, whatever level they want to get the restoration at.
Councilmember Waldron
commented they can define some type of triggering event.It is
also important to know that the city cannot tax gasoline.We
are precluded by the state to tax gasoline.That is why this
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fund was developed, because we cannot tax gasoline.So thy
said, okay, they would share that with the cities and towns.
They do not share very well, but they •take it.
Councilmember Serdy commented
the .2% was already supposed to sunset and it keeps getting
extended.
Councilmember Waldron and
Vice Mayor Barker commented they are talking about the roads
two -tenths.That is all they are talking about.
Councilmember Serdy commented
a future council could just extend it again, just like the last
one keeps getting extended.
Councilmember Waldron
commented they can put in a triggering event that will preclude
that.It is easy to do.
Councilmember Evans commented
that still does not help with Maricopa and Casa Grande having a
faster growth so they are getting a larger proportionate amount
of it.She thinks this is a good short term and she agreed with
the concept of it.But she questioned how they pay for the
roads in the long term.They cannot keep doing it from just the
sales tax.Most of the cities do seem to have some type of not
only a primary property tax but also a secondary property tax.
It is as we discussed in our retreat; the secondary is great
except that it does sunset.If the roads would sunset, then it
would be cool.It will be an ongoing problem.One is an
immediate need and we definitely need to have the Trail fixed
for our businesses there.But she thinks they need to continue
looking at the most unpopular which is the primary property tax.
Councilmember Waldron
commented he is talking about the immediate need and that is
what these meetings have been focused on.They have the
possibility that San Tan may incorporate which will also take a
chunk.
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Councilmember Serdy commented
if this development services director gets his way everyone will
be riding bicycles, from what he hears.
Councilmember Waldron
commented there are long term issues they really need to
consider.He agreed with that.There are still more meetings
to come.He spoke about the two -tenths for Apache Trail and
that is what his comments are focused on.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated this is a little off the subject but it is related.The
California State Assembly passed a 68 cents additional gas tax
that takes place sometime next year.When you gas up in
California you will be paying another 68 cents per gallon.
Vice Mayor Barker commented
she knows our legislature will not do that.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated it is based on green series of what needs to be fixed,
the air, so it is not rally related to infrastructure that is
crumbling but it is related to environmental infrastructure.
Our state legislature can do something similar.And what
happens in California sometimes follows in Arizona.It may take
20 years but it does happen.
Councilmember Rizzi commented
she does not think they can depend on the Highway User Revenue
Funds.
Vice Mayor Barker agreed.
Mayor Insalaco asked where
they go from here.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated in their packets they have provided lots of
options to look at in terms of how many years they want to go
and which taxes.That was the intent and he did not know if
they wanted to add anything.
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Assistant to the City Manager
Matt Busby stated just to clarify, there are two issues at hand
here.One is the .2% that is currently designated for operating
capital which Councilmember Serdy has been referring to.It is
the one that had been extended.In 2010 the city council
extended it for 6 years and it will sunset a year from now in
2016.They thought it might be appropriate to bring it forward
with this discussion now while we are talking about a separate
.2% increment just dedicated to roads so they would not have to
keep coming back for these different .2%s.That is why you see
both of these items under one possible motion tonight.
Councilmember Evans commented
she had one quick question.She asked if they know or can they
somehow get the information on both of the .2% taxes if they
initiated a primary property tax or if it was voted and
approved.She asked if both of those could go away.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated they can absolutely do the analysis and bring that
forward.
Councilmember Evans commented
she thinks that would be good information.
Councilmember Serdy commented
they would not be voted on unless they are being given
something, unless something is cut.They will not do this and
the property tax.They need to be shown the city is ready to
trade off.
Councilmember Evans commented
it would take several years to get the property tax even on the
ballot.It is a great future change.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated it would take a couple of years to get it on the
ballot and another year for the county to collect it and bring
it in.
Councilmember Evans commented
they could possibly eliminate both of these .2% which would then
really decrease the sales tax.
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Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated it is currently at 8.9% and it will go to 9.1%.
It would be 8.7% with the decrease of both.
Assistant to the City Manager
Matt Busby stated there are issues with the timing of it.The
council has the ability to vote on any sales tax increment, but
any primary property tax has to go to the voters.If they cut
the sales tax before they know the property tax is in place,
they would have the chance of losing it all.If they have the
property tax come first, they have the voters a little wary of
if they are really going to discontinue the .2% or decrease the
sales tax by such and such amount.Another important point
about primary property tax is they have to establish the levy,
the total amount they want to collect.State statute will
determine how much that levy is.It is a fixed amount that will
increase each year.That is what they are stuck with for the
life of the primary tax.They have to get that number right.
Councilmember Serdy commented
the next election would be in 2016 as there is nothing in 2015.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated that is correct.
Assistant to the City Manager
Matt Busby agreed.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated when he is talking about a couple of years to get
on the ballot it will be November of 2016.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated it would be a November election.It would be the
presidential election.
Mayor Insalaco commented they
would be at the bottom of the voting page.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated yes, but it is the president, it is the senate.
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Vice Mayor Barker commented
it is the presidential election.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated yes, and all the county offices.
Councilmember Waldron
commented he appreciates their trying to be efficient with the
two taxes, but he asked if they could separate them from the .2%
that is currently in place and the .2% that they are talking
about to fix the Trail.It gets a little bit confusing.
Whenever someone says .2% they are going which one are you
talking about.He appreciates the efficiency but if they could
separate them out he thinks it would be a lot easier.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated absolutely.It is up to the council how they want
to approach it.For him, it will come back up.He will need to
find a million dollars from a $20 million revenue, as we do a
class and comp plan, as we continue to worry about public safety
retirement system, we have some real headwinds ahead.He wanted
to bring this up, that is why they are bringing this up, to
remember that because it will be that time period real quick.
Yes, they can absolutely separate it, but they will want to
continue this with the budget or bring this up because that .2%,
it is going to seem like it is something we will have to do.We
will do those things in soft capital and we will have to look at
other areas.
Councilmember Waldron
commented he agreed we need to address both of them.The Apache
Trail fix is a fairly immediate need, but we cannot drop the
discussion on the .2% that is currently in place that will
sunset.
Assistant to the City Manager
Matt Busby stated the question for Joel is they had prepared
some example motions of these two things combined.He asked if
they could have two different motions tonight, one for the .2%
operating and one for the .2% roads.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated absolutely because they would be separate ordinances that
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staff would ask the council to direct them to create rather than
one for both.They do not want to take the risk of something
happening when they are all in one ordinance.
Mayor Insalaco commented they
have the rest of 2014, all of 2015 and the first part of 2016 to
see how they want to continue the other one if they voted on the
.2% additional tax that they are talking about today, tomorrow,
next week or whatever and the other one does not sunset until
October 2016.It does not change the taxes any more than what
the people are already paying.Instead of trying to hit them
both right now, they are going to extend this one right now and
add this.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated they should remember this is just a direction to staff.
They would not be voting on the actual tax tonight because there
is no ordinance.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated this starts the process of getting city clerk
staff and city attorney staff trying to work the paper work.
Mayor Insalaco commented the
process of doing it this way is a lot quicker than going through
a property tax.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated that is correct.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated another option would be to send this to the voters, too.
They could send the sales tax issue to the voters.They can do
that if they want to do that, but there would be a delay on that
also.
Councilmember Wilson
commented in the meantime the road gets worse.
Mayor Insalaco commented that
would not be until 2016 and if they turn it down then they are
up the creek without a paddle.
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Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated $12 million.They would be past sub -base and into
construction.If Giao was here he would be able to explain that
but he thinks they have gone over that with Shane and Giao over
the years and what happens if they wait.
Councilmember Wilson
commented one of the things he was wondering about was they had
talked about possibly looking at the idea of going to the voters
for a real estate tax.He asked if they could put in the words
in this that either full returning of the Highway User Revenue
Funds or implementation of a real estate tax or its equivalent.
Something along that line so in other words it is saying it is
good until they do one or the other, achieve one or the other.
meant the existing one.
Mayor Insalaco asked if he
Councilmember Wilson
commented it would be for the roads.One of the problems we
have is not only the Trail.We have a lot of other roads that
need help.
Mayor Insalaco commented they
have Delaware.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated they have Southern, Delaware, and we have $18
million of road projects out there.
Councilmember Wilson asked if
there is a way of wording that so they could continue looking at
the idea of going to the voters for a real estate tax.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated he is getting at a conditional motion, a conditional
sunset clause.
Councilmember Wilson stated
that is correct.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated they can look into that.To come up with that language
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right now for the direction to staff, we could attempt to do
that but he has those concepts.He thinks he knows what he is
talking about.He would have to look at the language to see if
they can do it at the end.It would have to be very carefully
crafted language.
Councilmember Wilson
commented he has that ability.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated this is a policy decision.
Councilmember Waldron
commented if they can, on the .2% roads, if they can look at
whatever wording is necessary for what Chip is talking about, as
well as some wording that sunsets on the restoration of Highway
User Revenue Funds.He would like a couple of different sunset
scenarios to look at.The language involved would be very
helpful.He thinks everyone agrees they want it to sunset, it
is just how and when.
Vice Mayor Barker commented
she is trying to get her mind wrapped around this.In other
words, what he is saying is he is looking for a motion on only
the roads, the additional, at this point, leave the other where
it is, leave it alone, with numerous possible sunset options.
Councilmember Waldron
commented that is correct as he said it would take a little bit
of language crafting.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated for the direction to staff he thinks that would be fine.
They are looking for conditional sunset triggers.
The consensus of the council
was they approved of that terminology.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated that is good, especially for a tax situation.
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Vice Mayor Barker commented
she believes she has the motion.She asked if she would have to
address the other .2% in this motion at all.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated if she does not they can put it as another work
session item at another time.
Mayor Insalaco closed the
discussion and called for a motion.
Vice Mayor Barker MOVED THAT
THE FOLLOWING DIRECTION BE GIVEN TO STAFF REGARDING AN
ADDITIONAL TWO -TENTHS OF A PERCENT SALES TAX DEDICATED TO FUND
ROADWAY MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS:THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO
PREPARE AN ORDINANCE FOR A TWO -TENTHS OF A PERCENT INCREASE IN
THE LOCAL SALES TAX DESIGNATING IT AS DEDICATED TO ROADWAY
MAINTENANCE, REPAIRS OR CONSTRUCTION, THAT STAFF BRING BACK
NUMEROUS CONDITIONAL SUNSET TRIGGERS OF SAID TAX.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated for clarification he asked if she could say such as
Highway User Revenue Funds restoration.
Vice Mayor Barker continued
her motion with SUCH AS HURF RESTORATION, THE ONSET OF PROPERTY
TAX, AND ANYTHING ELSE DEEMED WORTHY.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated she can strike that last one and add or other staff
recommendations.
Vice Mayor Barker continued
her motion with STRIKE AND ANYTHING ELSE DEEMED WORTHY AND ADD
OR OTHER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
Mayor Insalaco asked if she
was going to put that down especially for Apache Trail or does
that necessarily need to be under construction.
Vice Mayor Barker asked if
the sales tax is dedicated only to Apache Trail.
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Councilmember Waldron
commented that is what they have been doing in the meetings.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated he would argue they have been presenting to the
community all the $18 million in road projects.
Vice Mayor Barker commented
she would argue the same.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated he does not know what that means; he was at the
League conference as well.
Vice Mayor Barker continued
her motion with AND ADD TO THIS THAT APACHE TRAIL COME FIRST.
Powell agreed.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Mayor Insalaco agreed.
Vice Maor Barker amended her
motion to THAT APACHE TRAIL BE THE PRIORITY.
Councilmember Waldron
commented they did the video on fix Apache Trail and the fact
sheet out there says fix Apache Trail.
Vice Mayor Barker commented
but the presentations, as people have talked, have covered the
entire community for maintenance purposes especially.But the
Trail portion of it has been to completely redo it, from what
she understood from the presentation and maintenance for the
rest of the city.
Assistant to the City Manager
Matt Busby stated in all their communications it has been
focused with the priority being Apache Trail but they have been
communicating to the public and the business,gyners that there
is still a larger problem with a backlog of million for our
roadways.
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Councilmember Waldron
commented but is it being presented that the .2% would handle
that $18 million over the years.
Assistant to the City Manager
Matt Busby stated it depends on how long it is entitled.
Councilmember Waldron
commented that is what his question goes to.If they presented
it in this way, he apparently missed that part.If they
presented they would cover the $18 million, then to sunset with
the Highway User Revenue Funds will not work.
Mayor Insalaco commented it
will not because they will not get that much money.
Councilmember Waldron agreed.
Assistant to the City Manager
Matt Busby stated it all depends on if and when the legislature
ever would do that.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated his biggest worry is that may never happen.
Councilmember Waldron
commented that is his concern, too.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated this is an option for this council and this
community to step up and take control of its destiny in moving
forward and investing in itself.
Mayor Insalaco commented this
is nothing.Of all the 18 or 19 neighborhood meetings they have
gone to in the last year, the Apache Trail came up almost every
time.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated it is very clear.
Mayor Insalaco commented he
has been to a few of them.
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Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated it was said at the citizen's institute and any
homeowners association meeting he has been to, and they are all
asking when are they going to do it or why it has not already
been done.
Mayor Insalaco commented they
are customers but they are also residents.They do not have to
worry about the customers but they do have to worry about the
residents.They are the people that they serve.
Assistant to the City Manager
Matt Busby asked if they need a time frame as part of the motion
or if it is permanent.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated he was thinking the same thing.If they were to
say not to exceed ten years that helps staff know as it gets
into the idea of financing.
Vice Mayor Barker asked if
that is part of the possible conditional sunsets, is to give
them a time certain as one of the options.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated if none of those things happen, he would like
their outside sunset.
Vice Mayor Barker commented
that would be another option since she asked for options.It
would bring an option for a time for sunset rather than Highway
User Revenue Funds coming back or a property tax being started
or whatever.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated that is more of a policy decision by council on the
outset if none of these other things happen.
Vice Mayor Barker commented
that is correct.He could just have a line.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated it would say then how long they want to make this.
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Mayor Insalaco called for a
second.
Councilmember Wilson SECONDED
THE MOTION.
VOTE:Unanimous.
(During the motion Councilmember Serdy asked for clarification
that this was just for direction to staff to come back with
different solutions and was advised that was correct.)
The motion carried.
OLD BUSINESS
None.
NEW BUSINESS
CITY'S REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR
PR14-03 LANDSCAPING CONTRACTS
FOR THE PARK SYSTEM
)Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake briefed the council on the item.
Councilmember Evans asked if
they are happy with Somerset Landscaping.
Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake stated they are.Overall they have done a good job.
Pretty much any contractor they have had has had their issues,
Somerset has been well above average when it comes to that.
Those issues they have had they have responded to and corrected
them.
Vice Mayor Barker commented
they are contracted with Renaissance and the others so she
presumes they pay us.
Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake stated they do not.Those were lands deeded to us at the
time those subdivisions were created.
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Vice Mayor Barker commented
how lovely for them.
Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake stated yes, they learned.
Councilmember Serdy asked if
they have looked at doing this in house.If a storm occurs and
something breaks, they go out and take care of it anyway in
these same areas.So for $96,000, they could say two staff
members and a truck full time.He asked if they have done a
study in the past about doing it in house and how it would come
out that way.
Parks Superintendent Nick
Black stated they have not done a study per se.Prior to 2001
they were taking care of it in house.At that time they were
keeping two full time people busy.Since that time they have
added three of the highway ramps, Plaza Drive, Old West Highway
and North Apache Trail.
Councilmember Serdy commented
and staff has been cut.
Mayor Insalaco commented
staff has been cut quite a bit.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated they looked into this earlier and going to the
private sector was the answer.They have added significantly to
this and he would say it would be double the cost if not more if
they had to go in house.
Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake stated when they bid this out four years ago, they got a
price of $84,000.They are seeing a significant increase but
they have had that price for four years because they continued
to renew with the company.They have had a 15% increase over
what they had four years ago.Prior to that, the bid they got
when the economy was booming was around $120,000 to $130,000 a
year for fewer properties.Even with this $96,826, they are in
much better shape than they were 7 or 8 years ago.
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Councilmember Serdy commented
they had an issue today with Idaho Road being completely covered
with trash.It is unknown where it came from.They went out
with community service workers.He knows that is not the
solution, but he questioned if there any opportunities through
volunteerism.When he first got on the council, they talked
about having citizens take care of the median on Royal Palm.
They had a lively discussion.There were people interested and
then it kind of stopped.He knows there is a danger factor in
having citizens out in the street; that was one of the things.
He asked what the city does and what the state does for the
freeway ramps.The city does not own the freeway.He asked him
to explain what gets done on the freeway ramps.
Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake stated the freeway ramps are basically kept litter free.
They have no irrigation systems out there and no plants.It is
just artwork.It is basically weed control and litter control.
Councilmember Serdy commented
that is off the highway thing.He asked why Roadhaven would not
want to do a ramp and Rock Shadows want to do a ramp.With one
person on staff coordinating, he thinks they would love to do
that.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated the last time he checked Arizona Department of
Transportation did not want them on the ramps.Secondly, he
thinks it is a contractual agreement with them when the granite
was accepted on the ramps that we would maintain and keep the
weeds down.
Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake stated that is correct.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated the city used to have trouble keeping the freeways
clean when it tried to do it.
Mayor Insalaco commented we
tried.
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Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake stated they will be getting an attachment two weeks from
now when they do their actual consideration that has a breakdown
of each of the areas here showing how much each of those areas
are being charged.They will notice the ramps for the freeways
are the lowest in cost.They are the least amount of work to
do.It is reflected in the price from the contractor.
Councilmember Serdy commented
he would be interested to see those breakdowns because he thinks
there are some solutions there with volunteerism if it is done
correctly.Even if they. approve this, he would like to know
more in the future about this.There are a lot of people who
come here with nothing to do.In the summer there are not as
many volunteers and it is also 180 degrees.He would like to
know more about these.
Mayor Insalaco asked how that
would work with the insurance policy in case anyone gets hurt.
City Attorney Joel Stern
asked if he meant the volunteers.
Mayor Insalaco commented that
is correct.A lot of these places have to be trimmed with
chainsaws and trimmers.They are talking about people from
Roadhaven that are in their eighties.
Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake stated if he is talking about volunteers going in and
trimming the shrubs and trees, he would recommend against that.
He has seen that go bad in the past.They even have a hard
enough time with the so-called professionals in getting it
right.They just recently massacred the trees on North Apache
Trail.One probably would not notice it unless one is a
professional, but some of the pruning that was done was
terrible.He could not imagine what would happen if they had
someone out there as a volunteer with no training.He would not
recommend that part of it.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated our insurance policy has premises liability for our city
streets.If we send someone out there, the city will probably
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have to cover those individuals.If they do something outside
the scope of what they have been asked to do, if they are
running around in the street and they are not supposed to be,
and they do not have their safety vests on, he thinks there
could be a coverage problem.If Southwest Risk does not cover
it, then the city will be held liable if something bad happens.
That would mean city general fund money.There is also a
deductible under our current insurance policy and he believes it
is $75,000.The city would pay the first $75,000 for damages
that are adjudged by a court.Attorney fees are covered under
our coverage, but if the city is found liable for something, if
a volunteer drives a truck into another person or a person's
vehicle, the city is liable.If the city fights it and loses,
the city pays the first $75,000.
Mayor Insalaco commented they
would have to have a truck or something to pick up the weeds and
everything and take them to the dump.He asked who would be
paying for that.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated he can tell you what the process would be but there are
all kinds of possibilities that would come up for different
landscaping tasks.Yes, the city would have to pay for that.
Councilmember Serdy commented
they have community service people do it.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated they do, and he thinks if something happened to those
workers, remember when he says community service he thinks he
means people from the court paying off their fines, if something
happens to them on a right-of-way, our insurance would cover it,
depending on what they did.If they are out of the scope of
what they were supposed to be doing, then no.But still they
are acting as our agents so the city itself would have to cover
it.There may not be coverage under our policy.
Councilmember Waldron asked
if the community service people are doing chainsaw work.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated they are not.Community service does litter pick
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up and hoeing and they try to keep them out of the right-of-way.
They give them as minimal to do as possible.They also wash
police department vehicles and other things on city property.
Councilmember Rizzi asked how
it works with adopt a highway people.When she worked for the
boys and girls club they went out and got a portion of the road.
The kids and she went out and picked up trash and they signed
waivers.She asked if the city is not protected by that.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated if it is an Arizona Department of Transportation Adopt A
Highway program (he was interrupted by Assistant City Manager
Bryant Powell).
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated they do not have an Arizona Department of
Transportation Adopt A Highway program.They have an Arizona
Department of Transportation Sponsorship Program.They were
real clear with us.When he first started they went out and
started cleaning up on the freeway and immediately got a call
from the Arizona Department of Transportation.They do not want
us out there.The city initiated a joint sponsorship with
Allied Waste and Mediacom and each year, for 12 years, they have
invested in our community and we have sponsorship programs.It
is a contract or similar to what is being proposed.They go out
and clean on the freeway.They do have an Adopt A Highway
Street Program.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated as for the waiver she is talking about, if something
happens, he is sure that waiver will be scrutinized by a very
good plaintiff attorney.That is all he will say publicly on
that.
Mayor Insalaco asked if they
want to leave themselves open to problems like that.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated that is a policy determination.It is a night of policy
decision making.
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Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake stated he would recommend that any of the landscape
maintenance that involves anything with the care of the plants
in terms of pest control, herbicide control, pruning, or
anything to do with the irrigation systems they not use
volunteers.They do not have the skills for it and they will
pay a heavy price.Litter control and a certain amount of weed
control with a hoe could be considered.
Mayor Insalaco commented all
these landscaping places have a bunch of money in those plants.
Parks Superintendent Nick
Blake stated that is correct.They have even had them hula hoe
out the wrong plants.Even that he is a little bit leery of,
depending on the site.
City Attorney Joel Stern
stated they do have some trees that have grown to a caliber that
are huge and they are great specimens.
Mayor Insalaco commented a
few weeks ago they did Phelps Drive and they had the guys
climbing with the equipment.He would not want to be
responsible for something like that.He asked where they go
from here.
Vice Mayor Barker stated it
comes back in two weeks.This was for information.
Assistant City Manager Bryant
Powell stated this was an item because we did not have a work
session last night.It is for presentation and discussion.
Mayor Insalaco closed the
discussion and moved on the next item.
DIRECTION TO STAFF
None.
SELECTION OF MEETING DATES, TIMES, LOCATIONS, AND PURPOSES
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Vice Mayor Barker MOVED THAT
AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 5:45 P.M. AND A WORK SESSION AT 7:00
P.M. BE HELD ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2014, IN THE CITY COUNCIL
CONFERENCE ROOM AND CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS RESPECTIVELY; AND
THAT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 5:45 P.M. BE HELD ON TUESDAY,
SEPTEMBER 16, 2014, IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
Councilmember Evans SECONDED
THE MOTION.
VOTE:Unanimous.
The motion carried.
CALL TO THE PUBLIC:
None.
(Kim Tunstall turned in a request to speak form but left the
meeting before the item was called.)
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Insalaco adjourned
the meeting at 9:20 p.m.
Consent Agenda Items are as follows:
1. Acceptance of Agenda.
2. Approval of Minutes of Regular Meeting of August 19, 2014.
3. Consideration of proposed contract with Visus, Inc. for
PWC2013-10 Pueblo del Sol Roadway Improvements - Phase 1 in
an amount not to exceed $269,550.00.
4. Consideration of proposed Resolution No. 14-35, authorizing
the city to enter into an intergovernmental agreement with
Arizona Department of Transportation for a citywide
Intelligent Traffic System study in an amount of $21,550.00.
ACCEPTED THIS 16TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2014, BY THE MAYOR AND CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF APACHE JUNCTION, ARIZONA.
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SIGNED AND ATTESTED TO THIS 16TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2014.
ATTEST:
KATHLEEN CONNELLY
City Clerk
JOHN 45; IN ALACO
Mayor
CITY COUNCIL MINUTES
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and
correct copy of the minutes of the regular meeting of the City
Council of the City of Apache Junction, Arizona, held on the 2nd
day of September, 2014.I further certify that the meeting was
duly called and held and that a quorum was present.
Dated this 10th day of September, 2014.
KATHLEEN CONNELLY
City Clerk
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